GAP’s CEO and Cofounder Joyce Durst joined best-selling author Matt Brown as a guest on his podcast, “Secrets of #Fail” to dive deep into the world of failures and lessons learned along the way. Matt’s podcasts tell the stories of entrepreneurs and business thought leaders, one conversation at a time. In this episode, watch as Joyce discusses when to take “one step forward” and the importance of listening to what people are doing. She also talks about pivots and contingency plans if things don’t work to ensure multiple paths to success. We encourage you to watch this very engaging conversation.